Just a quick update.
I did not get the scale horsemans skirt done by Blackstone Raids. The cutting of the plates and the punching of the holes moves rather quickly once I get into the rythm but, hammering each plate to get the slight curve and to work harden the metal is a slow process.
I will continue to work on the skirt but I will bounce to other projects with more instant gradification. I will start on the curaiss this weekend. I will also work on the vembraces, too. there are also the sheaths for swords, belts, baldric and other things needed for the full armor.
I am excited about the whole project.
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Friday, May 02, 2008
Scale Skirt project
Labels:
4th Century,
armor,
chainmail,
Jute Warrior,
SCA,
scale armor,
Scalemail
Sunday, April 06, 2008
The Scale Skirt - Part 2
Yesterday I did more work on the scale armor. I rounded the ends marked out the places to punch the holes and finished up 5 complete plates. I planned to use some of the rings I cut for my chainmail to attach the plates. At this point I discovered why they call it experiential archeology.
With only photos of originals to work from it is hard to make out the details. I will explain this in a moment. First lets see what the scales look like.

Here are the originals.

Looking closely you can see the hole pattern and connection "staples". Well I was wandering why they refer to them as staples. Well I found if you make the holes for round links at the proper distance and then stack the plates it does not go together well. A more squared off staple shape works better. You get movement between rows of scales and a little side to side movement but not much, just enough to allow for body movement and muscle flex. The thing that was surprising was how strong the piece becomes when held together with 14 gauge brass wire. It is like building a semi -flexible plate armor. It would take a very good and well aimed upward thrust to get through this armor. The slight curve of the individual plates does not leave a flat surface and it flexes enough to absorb force and transfer it across the armor.
It is not going to be as flexible as I thought but it is much stronger then expected. I will see about getting a round link to work and see if it adds to the flex.
Here are the five plates that I connected.

The tools used.


More to follow as I get the full skirt assembled.
With only photos of originals to work from it is hard to make out the details. I will explain this in a moment. First lets see what the scales look like.
Here are the originals.
Looking closely you can see the hole pattern and connection "staples". Well I was wandering why they refer to them as staples. Well I found if you make the holes for round links at the proper distance and then stack the plates it does not go together well. A more squared off staple shape works better. You get movement between rows of scales and a little side to side movement but not much, just enough to allow for body movement and muscle flex. The thing that was surprising was how strong the piece becomes when held together with 14 gauge brass wire. It is like building a semi -flexible plate armor. It would take a very good and well aimed upward thrust to get through this armor. The slight curve of the individual plates does not leave a flat surface and it flexes enough to absorb force and transfer it across the armor.
It is not going to be as flexible as I thought but it is much stronger then expected. I will see about getting a round link to work and see if it adds to the flex.
Here are the five plates that I connected.
The tools used.
More to follow as I get the full skirt assembled.
Labels:
4th Century,
armor,
Jute Warrior,
SCA,
scale armor,
Scalemail
Saturday, April 05, 2008
The Scale Skirt - Part 1
Well, it has been a while since this blog started. I went silent but now I am back. I moved and the work space is just getting set up. So, the first thing I need to make is leg protection. And this is why, courtesy of Arundoor. (photo taken six days after the attack)

So, I started the scale skirt. It is based off a find in Denmark that is listed as a Roman scale and dated to around 360 to 400 CE. It is not connected to fabric but is connected scale to scale with "staples". There are sever finds across Europe of this style scale armor.

My scales are 1.5 x 2 inch red brass. I spent a couple hours on Thursday evening cutting out the squares from 6 x 12 inch sheets of 20 gauge brass.
This is the setup. I used my small Central Forge throatless shears. I picked this up from Harbor Freight a few years back for under $100 and I love it. I have a Beverly B3 throatless shear that can be seen behind the area but it sucks for soft low gauge metal.
So after the squares where cut I had to mark them for the curve at the bottom. This took a good part of the evening on Friday as we sat having bad movie night, consisting of Idiocracy, and Evil Aliens. (movie review: Idiocracy is so stupid that it is not even worth watching from a free loaned video. The kid wanted to see the whole thing so we watched it. Evil Aliens is a bad, sick and twisted British movie that is also funny. If you have a warped mind you should see this film, but send the kids away.) Now back to the metal.
So, I started the scale skirt. It is based off a find in Denmark that is listed as a Roman scale and dated to around 360 to 400 CE. It is not connected to fabric but is connected scale to scale with "staples". There are sever finds across Europe of this style scale armor.
My scales are 1.5 x 2 inch red brass. I spent a couple hours on Thursday evening cutting out the squares from 6 x 12 inch sheets of 20 gauge brass.
So after the squares where cut I had to mark them for the curve at the bottom. This took a good part of the evening on Friday as we sat having bad movie night, consisting of Idiocracy, and Evil Aliens. (movie review: Idiocracy is so stupid that it is not even worth watching from a free loaned video. The kid wanted to see the whole thing so we watched it. Evil Aliens is a bad, sick and twisted British movie that is also funny. If you have a warped mind you should see this film, but send the kids away.) Now back to the metal.
Friday, February 23, 2007
Chain Mail for Armor
I decided that I was not going to fight in chainmail armor because it adds no protection for SCA rattan fighting and it is heavy. Well chainmail is period and looks good. So, I have decided that I will add chainmail accents to my new armor. If I put a bit of chainmail here and there in just the right places it will look like I am wearing a chainmail shirt under my cuirass.
I however did not decide to abandon the flat rings.
Now I am doing the rings in the most simple fashion. I am laying the ring on the anvil and striking it flat with the hammer.
Wednesday, February 14, 2007
Creating the Greaves
Well, I am starting with the greaves because I made a pair a couple years ago. I consider these a prototype. They are great to fight in but there are a few modification I want to do when I make the next pair.
So, here is how they were made.
Start by measuring the leg, noting where your knee will be and such. There are about 8 measurements to take. After you have all the measurements you need to draw your pattern.
Next you will transfer your pattern to the metal you will use for the greaves. I use chalk to draw the pattern onto the sheet metal.
Next you will cut the metal pattern out. I did not do a great job with placement of my pattern for cutting but cold rolled mild steel sheet is cheap. I used 16 gauge for this project.
To cut the metal I used a throatless shear. The one I had at the time was a Central Forge knockoff of the Beverly B1. It cost me about $90 at Harbor Freight Tools and it works well wit 16 gauge. That is about the thickest metal you can cut with it.
It works really great for light work and cuts 14 gauge brass sheets with no problems. I have since acquired a Beverly B3 that it really sweet. It can handle any cutting I need to do for armor.
The knockoff is now only used for cutting brass and bronze sheet.
So, after you get the pieces cut out and the edges filed so they are not so sharp, it is time to get out the hammer and start pounding the metal.
I started by raising the sides.
You will also notice in the picture that I marked the center and the area to dish for the knee.
I do all my dishing on a flat stump. I am dishing not sinking the metal. It can be used to hammer a roll in a straight line or to create a dish.
After I start the curve on both sides I will start to dish out the knee.
After the knee is started I can continue to round the the leg and round up the sides.
After the leg front is round the knee dished and the sides curved up it is time to roll the edge that sits on the top of the foot.
Then you have a greave. I made the pair in about 5 hours. Not including planishing and adding straps.
The greaves are great for fighting. Full protection of my shins. Nothing to catch like with an articulated knee. My greaves are 2 inches above my knee to keep from getting a sword tip to the knee cap when I am stepping forward. The only time I see a problem is when fighting from my knees. I have not been tipped on the knee yet but it could happen. I plan to make a small articulated piece to protect my knee when fighting on my knees.

Monday, February 12, 2007
How to armor a 4th Century Jute
So, I am on the path to creating a 4th century AD jute warrior persona for the SCA. If you want to know what the SCA is check out www.sca.org.
I decided to make my kit as period as possible. It is a personal goal and challenge. I am starting my blog trip with armor since this has been the hardest thing to get hard information on. Most sources start with the Vikings and group all other things from Jutland in with the Celtic and the Roman Iron Age. Most finds of armor are listed as Roman since the Romans wrote that the celts did not wear armor.
So, we know that there was heavy trade with the Greeks and the Romans by the people of Jutland. The armies of the rest of the nations in the known world had armor so, why not the Jutes?
Next what would be possible period armor for a Jute and be protective for SCA combat.
The answer is a combination of armor that could be in the price range of a mercenary.
For the legs greaves. The Greeks used them and so did the Romans. Not hard to make.

The body will be a leather breast piece and belt with bronze plates and bronze lorica segmentata style shoulders. It would be something that could be made by imitation of items used by enemies. This will offer good protection, better than chain, and it will be lighter than other options.
The upper legs will be scale mail or Lorica Squamata. It was know to a wide range of cultures and was found in digs in Denmark dating to the 4th century. Very flexible and lighter than chainmail.

So that leaves the Head. I already wear a spangen helm but is it period?
That would depend on the spangen style. Mine is similar to one found in Deurne. It is a ridge spangen. Period for 4th century and know of in Jutland.
Well that is the plan for the armor of a Jute warrior in the SCA. I will post additional blogs as the armor comes together.
I decided to make my kit as period as possible. It is a personal goal and challenge. I am starting my blog trip with armor since this has been the hardest thing to get hard information on. Most sources start with the Vikings and group all other things from Jutland in with the Celtic and the Roman Iron Age. Most finds of armor are listed as Roman since the Romans wrote that the celts did not wear armor.
So, we know that there was heavy trade with the Greeks and the Romans by the people of Jutland. The armies of the rest of the nations in the known world had armor so, why not the Jutes?
Next what would be possible period armor for a Jute and be protective for SCA combat.
The answer is a combination of armor that could be in the price range of a mercenary.
For the legs greaves. The Greeks used them and so did the Romans. Not hard to make.

The body will be a leather breast piece and belt with bronze plates and bronze lorica segmentata style shoulders. It would be something that could be made by imitation of items used by enemies. This will offer good protection, better than chain, and it will be lighter than other options.
The upper legs will be scale mail or Lorica Squamata. It was know to a wide range of cultures and was found in digs in Denmark dating to the 4th century. Very flexible and lighter than chainmail.

So that leaves the Head. I already wear a spangen helm but is it period?That would depend on the spangen style. Mine is similar to one found in Deurne. It is a ridge spangen. Period for 4th century and know of in Jutland.
Well that is the plan for the armor of a Jute warrior in the SCA. I will post additional blogs as the armor comes together.
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